Sunday, August 23, 2009

Is The United States Heading Towards A Civil War?

Carol, writing at No Sheeples Here as a very thoughtful piece titled Is America A Paralyzed Nation? in which she reviews Jon Voight's interview in The Washington Times. In the interview, Mr. Voight said:

"Do not let the Obama administration fool you with all their cunning Alinsky methods. And if you don't know what that method is, I implore you to get the book 'Rules for Radicals,' by Saul Alinsky. Mr. Obama is very well trained in these methods," he continues, citing a television campaign critical of the Republican Party and contentious town-hall meetings about health care reform.

"The real truth is that the Obama administration is professional at bullying, as we have witnessed with ACORN at work during the presidential campaign. It seems to me they are sending down their bullies to create fist fights among average American citizens who don't want a government-run health care plan forced upon them," Mr. Voight says. "So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?"

Jimmie at The Sundries Shack gives his answer to the question of whether we are heading toward a civil war:

Here are my real fears about the United States heading into a civil war:

1. There is a clear distinction between those who want a more authoritarian/socialist nation versus those who want to preserve the capitalist/democratic America we live in.
2. There is a clear distinction between those who understand the principles and guidance and importance of the representative legislative process versus those who hide behind the Constitution as an excuse to create laws from the bench.
3. There is a clear distinction between those who favor strong national security vs. those who want a borderless, global government.
4. There is a clear distinction between those who hold US Constitutional principles dear (1st, 2nd, 10th Amendments in particular) and those who are ignorant or want to subvert those principles.
5. There is a clear distinction between those who want to maintain a sensible fiscal policy versus those statists in Washington who spend our tax money with reckless abandon.
6. There is a clear distinction between those who see themselves as Americans first versus those who want to segregate themselves into communities and ignore the national identity.
7. Despite his promises, surveys show that Americans have elected one of the most divisive Presidents since Richard Nixon.

These are serious issues that fundamentally challenge the formation of the Republic itself. Don’t buy into the childish arguments that every criticism of the Federal Government is based in racism. That is ignorant and simple-minded talk.

He goes on to say:

Here’s why I say that. In our democratic system, if people are displeased with what one party is doing, they generally have had another party running in the opposite direction to which they can turn. The hallmark of the two-party system is that each was different enough from the other to provide real alternatives. If the parties aren’t all that different, or the voters don’t see the parties as all that different, then the voters get stuck looking for another option. That state of being stuck builds tension until, at some point, it finds a release.

That paragraph struck a chord with me. How much difference is there between the two parties? Granted, the Republican party is united against ObamaCare, but that aside, what do conservatives have? Did my party represent me on Cap and Trade or did it pass solely because enough of "my guys" crossed the aisle? When my party had the White House and the the majority, were they by any stretch of the imagination conservative?

The anger that is surfacing is the result of politicians acting in their own best interests rather than the interests of their constituents. Our Constitution clearly states the powers given to the federal government. Neither party seems willing to allow the Constitution to limit their powers.

Too many people feel like their vote is wasted, not because their guy didn't get in, but because once in, politicians do whatever they damn well please. Our system needs a major overall and most of all, we need to get back to basics.


smitty1e said...

Not if enough are praying for peace.

Carol said...

At what price peace?

smitty1e said...

At what butcher's bill the alternative?
We have an awful lot of civil disobedience and non-violent protest to go through before the more unspeakable alternatives become tenable.
What about getting 34 States to call an Article V convention and break the Federalism Amendment off where DC sits?

Carol said...

Smitty, I like that idea and it sounds like the reasonable solution. However, when people are fed up, they don't often go for the reasonable solution. Second problem, we need a leader, someone to "get the ball rolling."

This didn't just start on January 20th, we the people have been building up anger at the government for a long time. Obama, trying to ram socialism down our throats has just brought the anger to the surface and to the streets. All the emotion people are felling just needs to be channelled in a productive way to help get the country back on track.

smitty1e said...

All I can tell you is that, when I have breakfast with the likely next Governor of VA on Saturday, I'm going to float the question.
Also, a state bank like North Dakota has would seem prudent.
A coalition of governors can move the ball. The difficulty with "need a leader" is the threat of the personality cult.

Carol said...

As someone who has spent their entire adult life in banking I can tell you that the state bank of ND is the model to put forward. I also agree that a coalition of governors is a good idea. Think about it, the closer an elected official is to the constituent the more accountable the official will be. Notable exception, my governor Charlie Crist.

Dominick Villapiano said...

A great article.......and I do commend easily, we truly have a system working against the people.
But here is the problem, we are absolutely watching prophecy come to pass.
That is where all of America is missing the ship.......We are not going to change the Gods course, it is all there, but even the church sells the word as symbolic......
Either that book is all true or it is all false........there is no grey area.....we do not get to pick out the parts we we like, and ignore the rest, because it does not fit our agenda.
This is probably not a response that anyone was looking for.
I Believe that book is true........yes the Bible
It is all there, all we have to do is pick it up and read it

WSOPNE said...

mistype, not the Gods course but Gods course sorry

Dominick Villapiano said...

America is clearly identified in Jeremiah chapter 50, 51.............
we can pray till we are blue in the face, we are not gonna change who we (the US) are..............

And please note my type error above

error: We are not going to change the Gods course
correction: We are not going to change Gods course,

Anonymous said...

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WSOPNE777 said...


Things are tough for a lot of people, I feel for ya brother. "Hope" is is not in this world, don't look for your here, you will be disapointed every time. We got something better coming, we have a promise. Trying to function in this world without this promise, is becoming impossible.

If you need to talk, you write me, you are not alone...This I promise.

Dominick from
my email is

Anonymous said...

My god, how long until you tea party people die already? You're all over 50, right?

A civil war isn't necessary. Please form your own nation in Arizona and leave the rest of us alone. We will gladly let you leave. Then, you can form your own gun-toting, SUV driving, no-health-care having, right-wing Christian paradise, and the rest of us can get on with becoming a 21st century nation.

For god's sake, secede already. Please. I'll help you pack.

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